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发表于 2-10-2011 13:26:53|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 tian1717 于 2-10-2011 13:34 编辑

答案是很明显的.他爱我们甚至可以为了我们全世界的人的罪受羞辱,受伤,受疼和受死.但主耶稣是全能的神虽然死了但他在第三日复活并显现给多人看.不仅如此,有小信的人还亲手摸到他手上身上的伤痕就当场信他是又真又活的神.
主耶稣是真的很爱我们...恳请大家想想我们人类每分每秒最需要的是什么?就是氧气.若上帝让天气有了大变化,我们人类可就要面临大灾难了.而且耶稣给了我们聪明智慧和健全的身子好让我们人类能自力更生.这一切证明了耶稣对我们的爱.他是无时无刻都守护着我们的神.很多人可能会认为以上我说的氧气和聪明智慧跟本就是我们人类理所当然要得到的.但试问,若没有上帝在左右这一切,我们能靠着自己的本事活下去吗?是万万不能的...
我们基督徒是靠着神的力量来活,而这力量是他白白赐给我们的,只要我们求告他的名.我们有了这力量就能完成我们人生当中所有困难,痛苦的事并且能够战胜这些恶事.不仅如此,这份力量还可以让我们得到心灵的喜乐和快乐.所以耶稣不但满足了我们日常的需要也同时赐给了我们平安和喜乐.
如果我们在日常生活中遇到不如意的事,只要我们肯诚心诚意向主耶稣祷告乞求,他一定会听我们的祷告回应我们的,但我们的乞求是必须是合理正当的,并不违背圣经的教诲.
在此我恳请读者,不管你是基督徒否.在天上主耶稣还是爱着你并会守护着你.请大家把信心交在他手中.
愿主恩常与我们众人同在.
发表于 2-10-2011 17:59:27|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
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"答案是很明显的.他爱我们甚至可以为了我们全世界的人的罪受羞辱,受伤,受疼和受死.但主耶稣是全能的神虽然死了但他在第三日复活并显现给多人看.不仅如此,有小信的人还亲手摸到他手上身上的伤痕就当场信他是又真又活的神.
主耶稣是真的很爱我们...恳请大家想想我们人类每分每秒最需要的是什么?就是氧气.若上帝让天气有了大变化,我们人类可就要面临大灾难了.而且耶稣给了我们聪明智慧和健全的身子好让我们人类能自力更生.这一切证明了耶稣对我们的爱.他是无时无刻都守护着我们的神.很多人可能会认为以上我说的氧气和聪明智慧跟本就是我们人类理所当然要得到的.但试问,若没有上帝在左右这一切,我们能靠着自己的本事活下去吗?是万万不能的...
我们基督徒是靠着神的力量来活,而这力量是他白白赐给我们的,只要我们求告他的名.我们有了这力量就能完成我们人生当中所有困难,痛苦的事并且能够战胜这些恶事.不仅如此,这份力量还可以让我们得到心灵的喜乐和快乐.所以耶稣不但满足了我们日常的需要也同时赐给了我们平安和喜乐.
如果我们在日常生活中遇到不如意的事,只要我们肯诚心诚意向主耶稣祷告乞求,他一定会听我们的祷告回应我们的,但我们的乞求是必须是合理正当的,并不违背圣经的教诲.
在此我恳请读者,不管你是基督徒否.在天上主耶稣还是爱着你并会守护着你.请大家把信心交在他手中.
愿主恩常与我们众人同在."


I find your article very misleading.

Are you saying that if we are to run into problems during our daily lives, we should appeal to Jesus with sincerity and he will respond to our cries. What do you mean by 'respond'? To oblige to what we ask of him? To decline what we ask of him? And if he obliges, what is the basis of his acceptance? And if he declines, what is the basis of his rejection? And if there is a possibility of rejection, then you should also include the clause stating that the results of our appeals might not be what we asked for.
In addition, you said that our requests must be reasonable and righteous. Very importantly, it does not contradict the teachings of the bible. Can you explain what constitutes to being reasonable and righteous?

Please advise.
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发表于 2-10-2011 19:47:39|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tian1717 于 3-10-2011 21:24 编辑
SG_lion 发表于 2-10-2011 17:59
"答案是很明显的.他爱我们甚至可以为了我们全世界的人的罪受羞辱,受伤,受疼和受死.但主耶稣是全能的神虽然 ...


Thanks for seeing my humble forum.I will try my best to answer your questions as perfectly as possible.If my answers do not clarify your doubts,i sincerely apologise to you.
When we have troubles for example financially,we can seek God for help.He will surely open a way for us and satisfy our basic needs.But if one greedy person asks for more than what he needs,God will not answer his prayer and his prayer will be in vain.But in order for a prayer to be answered,we christian ourself must obey and perform the tasks that our father Jesus has had commanded,which will be:"Love your enemy as u love yourself.Those who mistreated you,you must treat them well.If a person hits you on one side of the face,let him hits you at the other side.Whenever one asks from you,you will provide without hesitation.You must be merciful as God himself is merciful.You musn't judge people so that you will not be judged."There are more commands in which our Lord Jesus asks us to do.If we are able to do all this,we will be considered righteous and holy in his sight.Thus whatever we ask in our prayer,God will fulfill our requests.I am sure a righteous and holy person will pray and ask sensibly.Because the holy spirit will guide and give sensible knowledges to those righteous people and their prayers are indeed a meaningful and constructive one.
Once again,thanks for participating in the discussion.I hope my reply can help you in clearing your doubts.
Thanks alot.
May God's grace be with all brothers and sisters.
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发表于 3-10-2011 21:32:13|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
tian1717 发表于 2-10-2011 19:47
Thanks for seeing my humble forum.I will try my best to answer your questions as perfect as possib ...

Thanks for seeing my humble forum.I will try my best to answer your questions as perfect as possible.If my answers do not clarify your doubts,i sincerely apologise to you.
When we have troubles for example financially,we can seek God for help.He will surely open a way for us and satisfy our basic needs.But if one greedy person asks for more than what he needs,God will not answer his prayer and his prayer will be in vain.But in order for a prayer to be answered,we christian ourself must obey and perform the tasks that our father Jesus has had commanded,which will be:"Love your enemy as u love yourself.Those who mistreated you,you must treat them well.If a person hits you on one side of the face,let him hits you at the other side.Whenever one asks from you,you will provide without hesitation.You must be merciful as God himself is merciful.You musn't judge people so that you will not be judged."There are more commands in which our Lord Jesus asks us to do.If we are able to do all this,we will be considered righteous and holy in his sight.Thus whatever we ask in our prayer,God will fulfill our requests.I am sure a righteous and holy person will pray and ask sensibly.Because the holy spirit will guide and give sensible knowledges to those righteous person and their prayers are indeed a meaningful and constructive one.
Once again,thanks for participating in the discussion.I hope my reply can help you in clearing your doubts.
Thanks alot.
May God's grace be with all brothers and sisters.




I read your posting with confusion and to a certain degree of bewilderment. From your passage, it is through the deeds you spoke of that we achieve righteousness. And through righteousness, we wlil find fullfillment to our requests. Being righteous at the same time, we will only ask Jesus for things that are deemed sensible. To my understanding, Christianity is very much under the hegemony of the communist party in China. Unfortunately, many Christian doctrines and fundamental beliefs practiced by nations are considered elements that can potentially trigger anarchy and therefore surpressed and censored. These omission serves to dilute the original composition of Christianity with God having to take second place after man. A stark contradiction to what is being taught elsewhere. The people however are discerning enough to understand what they should and should not do. This led to the sprouting of numerous underground churches. However, their presence are thought to be rebellious, their Godly perseverance are treated as manifestation of recalcitrance. Persecuted and confronted with the prospects of being 'lynched' by the Chinese authorities, the believers pray and hope for the best. With scorn, abhorrence, treated like abomination and held with contempt, it is within expectation that pseudo crimes be set upon Christian dissidents maligning them of felonies they probably never even thought of. Humiliation normally precedes unceremonious execution, how to believe that being righteous under such adverse conditions be possible? How not to flee and give your other cheek to those who hit you? All the lofty talks of Christianity seems to be just rhetoric.
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发表于 3-10-2011 22:46:02|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tian1717 于 3-10-2011 23:01 编辑
SG_lion 发表于 3-10-2011 21:32
Thanks for seeing my humble forum.I will try my best to answer your questions as perfect as possib ...


Brother,
We Christian believe that we do not belong in this world,but in heaven.That is precisely we Christian are persecuted in some countries in this world where the devil has some control over it.That is also where our faith comes in,we will persevere and up hold whatever we are told to in the Bible,only a true christian will follow what God has commanded.And we believe that we will be resurrected when our Lord Jesus comes the second time.That is the time when God will Judge every individual.
God's Judgement is fair and equal.He will deem who are the righteous and good people.As long as i have a clear conscience,i have nothing to be afraid of.From what i saw in your reply,you are saying that the Christian teachings are forbidden in some countries due to it being anarchy and whatever right?But just get one point clear,whatever you say,you will not and cannot stop God's words and works from processing in this world.Because Christianity has been formalised as a religion which can save sinners from damnation.If what i said is wrong,how is it that Christianity still flourish in big and modernise countries like England,USA and the country which now you are standing in,Singapore,for instance?
To you,maybe you think that how is it that Christian are being persecuted harshly in some countries even though they practiced God's teaching and yet still face persecution?Moreover,they are still persecuted no matter how hard they prayed,right?I tell you frankly,God has everything in plan.We cannot understand why he still let all these things took place because he is the creator,we have no right to question his doings.The same goes to whether he wants to grant our wishes in our prayer,but one thing is certain,you must be a true Christian in order for God to take pleasure in you so that he will pity us and fulfill our needs.One assumption is that he is molding the faith of his believers in those countries.Because God likes people who are faithful to him. Look at the book of "约伯记"in the Bible and you will know what i said is correct.And one more suggestion to you....is it possible that you go through the Bible so that you are able to get a good grasp of what Christianity really is before you start mocking God,alright,brother?
May God be merciful upon your sorrowful soul.
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发表于 3-10-2011 23:17:57|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
tian1717 发表于 3-10-2011 22:46
Brother,
We Christian believe that we do not belong in this world,but in heaven.That is precisely  ...

SG_Lion wrote:
I read your posting with confusion and to a certain degree of bewilderment. From your passage, it is through the deeds you spoke of that we achieve righteousness. And through righteousness, we wlil find fullfillment to our requests. Being righteous at the same time, we will only ask Jesus for things that are deemed sensible. To my understanding, Christianity is very much under the hegemony of the communist party in China. Unfortunately, many Christian doctrines and fundamental beliefs practiced by nations are considered elements that can potentially trigger anarchy and therefore surpressed and censored. These omission serves to dilute the original composition of Christianity with God having to take second place after man. A stark contradiction to what is being taught elsewhere. The people however are discerning enough to understand what they should and should not do. This led to the sprouting of numerous underground churches. However, their presence are thought to be rebellious, their Godly perseverance are treated as manifestation of recalcitrance. Persecuted and confronted with the prospects of being 'lynched' by the Chinese authorities, the believers pray and hope for the best. With scorn, abhorrence, treated like abomination and held with contempt, it is within expectation that pseudo crimes be set upon Christian dissidents maligning them of felonies they probably never even thought of. Humiliation normally precedes unceremonious execution, how to believe that being righteous under such adverse conditions be possible? How not to flee and give your other cheek to those who hit you? All the lofty talks of Christianity seems to be just rhetoric.

Tian1717 wrote:
Brother,
We Christian believe that we do not belong in this world,but in heaven.That is precisely we Christian are persecuted in some countries in this world where the devil has some control over it.That is also where our faith comes in,we will persevere and up hold whatever we are told to in the Bible,only a true christian will follow what God has commanded.And we believe that we will be resurrected when our Lord Jesus comes the second time.That is the time when God will Judge every individual.
God's Judgement is fair and equal.He will deem who are the righteous and good people.As long as i have a clear conscience,i have nothing to be afraid of.From what i saw in your reply,you are saying that the Christian teachings are forbidden in some countries due to it being anarchy and whatever right?But just get one point clear,whatever you say,you will not and cannot stop God's words and works from processing in this world.Because Christianity has been formalised as a religion which can save sinners from damnation.If what i said is wrong,how is it that Christianity still flourish in big and modernise countries like England,USA and the country which now you are standing in,Singapore,for instance?
To you,maybe you think that how is it that Christian are being persecuted harshly in some countries even though they practiced God's teaching and yet still face persecution?Moreover,they are still persecuted no matter how hard they prayed,right?I tell you frankly,God has everything in plan.We cannot understand why he still let all these things took place because he is the creator,we have no right to question his doings.The same goes to whether he wants to grant our wishes in our prayer,but one thing is certain,you must be a true Christian in order for God to take pleasure in you so that he will pity us and fulfill our needs.One assumption is that he is molding the faith of his believers in those countries.Because God likes people who are faithful to him. Look at the book of "约伯记"in the Bible and you will know what i said is correct.And one more suggestion to you....is it possible that you go through the Bible so that you are able to get a good grasp of what Christianity really is before you start mocking God,alright,brother?
May God be merciful upon your sorrowful soul.

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First and formost, I did not say that Christian teachings are forbiddened in some countries due to it being an advocator of anarchy.

"...many Christian doctrines and fundamental beliefs practiced by nations are considered elements that can potentially trigger anarchy and therefore surpressed and censored..."

I said, the Christian doctrines and fundamental beliefs practiced by nations which of course was an indication of other countries was deemed as elements with potential to trigger anarchy by the communist party of China. It was all about pointing the finger at the communist party of China for their relentless efforts to drown the voices of Christians spreading their religion without fear and to be treated with equality and respect. So, do not put words that I've never said into my mouth.

Next, you claim I mock Christianity. I think you are confusing yourself with a healthy discussion with someone who subscribes to conflicting views with something as undesirable as name calling insults.

Lastly, you took it upon your liberty to bring forth a verbal personal attack. This seems to be in tremendous contradiction to what you preached earlier. A very quick show of double standards.

I guess there is no point for me to prolong this discussion which you are apparently only interested in entertaining viewpoints that exhalt yours.


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发表于 3-10-2011 23:26:29|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tian1717 于 4-10-2011 23:19 编辑
SG_lion 发表于 3-10-2011 23:17
SG_Lion wrote:I read your posting with confusion and to a certain degree of bewilderment. From you ...


It is ok, i have a clear consciense.Let God be my Judge.

For your information,we Christians want to spread our believe is because we are told by God to do so.So that people will hear and listen then repent from their evil ways and prevent eternal damnation.Since China is a country with the most people on earth,it is our duty to spread the LOVE of our Lord Jesus.
I apologise if i sound rude from my last comment or any misunderstanding from me.My intention of attending this forum is to spread the love of our God.Please take a look at my other posting.
And most importantly,if you are not a Christian,i sincerely request that you read and understand what our father Jesus said through the bible.I am sure it can most definately be beneficial to you.
Last but not least,it is out of LOVE that we Christians want to share this good news to all human beings on earth.
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发表于 3-10-2011 23:38:23|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
tian1717 发表于 3-10-2011 23:26
It is ok, i have a clear consciense.Let God be my Judge.

For your information,we Christians wants ...

It is ok, i have a clear consciense.Let God be my Judge.

For your information,we Christians wants to spread our believe is because we are told by God to do so.So that people will hear and listen then repent from their evil ways and prevent eternal damnation.Since China is a country with the most people on earth,it is our duty to spread the LOVE of our Lord Jesus.
I apologise if i sound rude from my last comment or any misunderstanding from me.My intention of attending this forum is to spread the love of our God.Please thake a look at my other posting.
And most importantly,if you are not a Christian,i sincerely request that you read and understand what our father Jesus said through the bible.I am sure it can most definately be beneficial to you.

First and foremost, no one in the world can claim to have a clear conscience for all fall short to the glory of God.
In addition, I think if you want to spread the gospel, you must be prepared to take on debates. And also, if you come into contact with viewpoints that dispute yours, don't go to the extend of insulting the other person who merely wants to have an enriching discussion with you.
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发表于 3-10-2011 23:57:37|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 tian1717 于 10-10-2011 15:56 编辑
SG_lion 发表于 3-10-2011 23:38
It is ok, i have a clear consciense.Let God be my Judge.

For your information,we Christians wants ...


It is ok, as long as people can still get my message that Jesus will save all sinners,i am satisfied.
I do not concern myself whether i win in a debate or not or how others perceive me.
I am most concerned how God looks at me.And i have to tell the only fact and the only truth.
And God already said that i have to forgive anyone who hurts my feelings.I will not hold any grudges against anybody.In fact, i have to love them.That is why i sincerely request that you take a look at the bible.
Look at the book of Luke,chapter 6 in the bible.I am trying my very best to fufill all those commands given by our father Jesus.
May God's grace be with all of us.
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发表于 12-10-2011 17:00:24|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
tian1717,看了你的帖子,想为你的良善和衷心感谢主。不要因为撒旦的攻击而影响信心...

加油!:D:D

耶稣爱我们!
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