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[PSLE小六] 感觉今年递交Appeal申请的应该不少,但成功比率能有多高?

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发表于 27-12-2012 22:20:58|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
儿子同学Gep258 appeal Ri,成功!

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主要是GEP占了很大优势了,成功例子,呵呵。  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 09:02
奇迹啊!!!我知道RI的COP是263,我儿子的朋友也是263没有第一轮录取,appeal成功我已经感到他很幸运了!  详情 回复 发表于 27-12-2012 23:32
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发表于 27-12-2012 22:32:38|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
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本帖最后由 maoru 于 27-12-2012 22:34 编辑

Dao到底怎么成功的,是不是还有其他强项才行,比如那些cca是吗?

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我也是觉得这个Appeal很神秘,没有什么数据可查。  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 09:07
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发表于 27-12-2012 23:11:22|来自:新加坡 来自手机 | 显示全部楼层
yyhclt001212 发表于 27-12-2012 22:20
儿子同学Gep258 appeal Ri,成功!

搞不清楚这个appeal的内幕,也不知道每年这种名校都留多少名额给appeal,如果低几分能
appeal成功,感觉对那些踏分数线或者只低1分而没appleal的不太公平。

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下面的点评说:“男孩子,差几分不说明太大问题”。我不太同意。相差5分的学生很多的,如果没有一个统一的标准,会有欠公平。怕有人会钻空子。  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 20:06
就是,好像是在走后门,中国走后门还要花点钱呢,一分一万,这里到底是靠什么呢?  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 10:16
学校应该是看需要什么样的人才,既然Appeal,成绩上都不会太差,尤其是男孩子,差几分不说明太大问题,关健看学校的需要,特长应该更重要?  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 09:06
同意。有些像菜市场买菜。  详情 回复 发表于 27-12-2012 23:25
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发表于 28-12-2012 09:28:31|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
yuebaby 发表于 27-12-2012 23:11
搞不清楚这个appeal的内幕,也不知道每年这种名校都留多少名额给appeal,如果低几分能
appeal成功,感觉 ...

有请 jjrchome 班竹 给说说这appeal 內幕, 各校到底是怎操作的?

真的是各校有先預留的名额给appeal ; 或有转出 才有名额给appeal  ?

Thanks

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发表于 28-12-2012 09:34:06|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
a2121.chen 发表于 28-12-2012 09:28
有请 jjrchome 班竹 给说说这appeal 內幕, 各校到底是怎操作的?

真的是各校有先預留的名额给appeal ; 或 ...

按道理应该是转出才有名额, 可RI这种转出的应该微乎其微吧.

所以感觉很神秘, 希望成功的家长说说appeal时用的特长, 造福以后的版友.

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一起等待超人J版!  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 10:13
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发表于 28-12-2012 10:13:12|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
有南洋女中的appeal结果出来吗?好像今天正午是截止时间了。没收到通知的就出局了。
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发表于 28-12-2012 10:28:25|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
十八子 发表于 27-12-2012 14:55
有没有appeal 华中的?

我知道有258+2去华中appeal的。面试的时候11个孩子中间取5个,那个孩子没有成功,去了立化。


我想立化没有给楼主答复的原因应该是他们也在等有多少人会转走,他们才能确定能不能接受您的孩子。。。

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我想学校肯定也是看有多少孩子转走,才把名额给其他的孩子,都拖到最后一刻。。。  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 11:42
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发表于 28-12-2012 11:56:09|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
a2121.chen 发表于 28-12-2012 09:28
有请 jjrchome 班竹 给说说这appeal 內幕, 各校到底是怎操作的?

真的是各校有先預留的名额给appeal ; 或 ...

对于普通政府中学,Appeal的名额主要是来自其他学生转出后留下的空额。 另外,没有去学校报到的孩子的名额也会被用来录取Appeal的学生。

自主中学在招生方面有比较大的特权, 可以自行决定招生人数以及DSA和S1 Posting学生的比例, 因此这些学校有权利而且通常会留一些机动名额给Appeal的学生。以华中为例,今年计划招收450名新生(学校有权随时增加人数), 可实际录取名单上只有440人,也就是说至少有10个名额预留给了Appeal的学生, 再加上转学空额以及没来报到的孩子留下的空额,实际空额可能会有5%左右。

还有一点, 自主中学通常预留一些名额给董事局成员,杰出校友, 教会领袖或其他特殊人物的子女, 让这些孩子有机会通过Appeal进入相关中学。比如, 南洋女中Appeal的基本条件是:

  • 优 异 的 小 六 会 考 总 积 分
  • 在 课 程 辅 助 活 动 或 运 动 项 目 有 优 越 的 表 现
  • 在 音 乐 或 美 术 方 面 有 特 殊 的 表 现
  • 父 母 是 本 校 校 董 或 教 职 员
  • 母 亲 是 本 校 校 友

圣约瑟夫书院的要求:


  • Academic Results: An applicant is expected to have achieved a sufficient level of academic performance in the PSLE to be able to cope with the rigour of the academic curriculum at SJI.
  • Specific Achievements: An applicant who is able to demonstrate talents in sports or games or any achievements e.g. Maths/Science Olympiads or community service projects that are noteworthy will be taken into consideration in the evaluation of the appeal.
  • Affiliation to SJI: The affiliation of an applicant or his parents such as being from the Christian Brothers primary schools, a son of an Old Boy or a Catholic or whose parents are Catholics will be taken into consideration in the evaluation of the appeal.
  • Contributions: The significant contributions of an applicant or his parents in terms of service to the school, the Catholic community and Singapore society will be taken into consideration in the evaluation of the appeal.

通常,预留给“特殊人物“子女的名额也会开放给普通学生申请, 综合得分较高者得之。

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说得很清楚, 班竹特強! Thanks again  详情 回复 发表于 29-12-2012 09:09
自主中学留给Appeal的名额都不多,看来政府中学的更少了。  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 13:22
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发表于 28-12-2012 11:58:22|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
yingqijing 发表于 28-12-2012 10:13
有南洋女中的appeal结果出来吗?好像今天正午是截止时间了。没收到通知的就出局了。
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南洋女中的截止时间是12月30日下午5时。
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发表于 28-12-2012 12:04:36|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
maoru 发表于 27-12-2012 22:32
Dao到底怎么成功的,是不是还有其他强项才行,比如那些cca是吗?

转载一篇关于Appeal的博文:

How to go about sec 1 appeals
林慧平
December 24, 2012

Ever since the school posting results for p6 kids on 19 December, there has been a flurry of activity around secondary schools in Singapore, with regards to appeals. Since appeals are handled by each school individually, MOE doesn't give much information on appeals on their website, so I thought I would write a post on it to give more clarity to interested parents.

School postings results are usually around the third week of December. It's a very straightforward process these days. No need to go down to school to find out which school your child has been posted to, you will receive the results via sms.

From what I know, this is where the buzz starts. Usually, you'll get many students and parents who are unhappy with the school they've been posted to and want to appeal to another school.  What do you do then?

First, your child will still need to register with the school he's been posted to. Have your child report to the posted school the following day at 8.30am, wearing his school uniform. There, he will register with the school and confirm his place.

Then, if you wish to appeal to another school, go down to that secondary school and fill in an appeal form (usually, the forms are made available from the day of school posting results). I recommend you call the school to find out what attachments you need to bring, so you can submit the form on the spot and not have to make another trip down.  Some schools make available the appeal forms even before school posting results, so call them and check.

Many common questions I encounter about appeals:

1) How many schools can I appeal to?

You can appeal to as many schools as you want, it's just a matter of legwork and form filling. You don't need to inform the school you've been posted to, until you've been successful in your appeal.  Check the deadline for appeals with the school you're interested in.

2) What do the schools look for in appeals?

I once met a mother who lamented to me that her son couldn't get in via appeal to a secondary school even though his brother was there. My first thought was, "err... you thought that was a valid reason?" I think when appealing, parents need to understand that the principal's main consideration will be, which student can best contribute to the school.

Therefore, the students who stand the best chances of appeals are those who:

a) have a talent in an area that the school needs, typically a CCA (especially niche area). Do note however, that the child will stand a better chance if he has either a record of achievement in that area or has already undergone a trial or audition at the school.  In such cases, the school might accept the student even if the t-score is quite a bit lower than the school's Cut-Off Point (COP). It's important to know that if you are successful for an appeal via CCA, you are expected to commit significantly to that CCA.

b) have a t-score that is very close to the school's COP. Arbitrarily, I would say it needs to be 2 or less. For top schools, you might need to have exactly the same t-score as the COP.  For this batch, you are banking on the fact that when the school has taken in all those they need stated in a), they will just take in appeals to fill vacancies based on those closest to their COP.

c) have put the school high on the priority on the School Option form. This one really depends on the school. Some schools don't care if you've even indicated interest in them initially, some do. But generally, I would say that even if this plays a part, it tends to be a secondary consideration. Criteria a) and b) are still more important.

Here's my personal advice on what reasons generally don't work for appeals:
  • My brother/sister/cousin/neighbour studied at your school.
  • I live within walking distance of your school.
  • My t-score is 10 points lower than your COP but I really really really really really like your school.
I need to stress though, that I'm just a parent, not a teacher or a school administrator. What I'm putting forward is my layperson point of view, based on what I've read and heard from schools and teachers. I'm told that at the end of the day, appeals are approved by the principal so even if you know a department head or board member, all he or she can do is put in a good word for you. The decision still ultimately lies with the principal.

3) How many vacancies do the schools have for appeals?

The appeal process is essentially a nation-wide game of musical chairs. The initial school posting is done by MOE purely based on t-score, ie all the students are all ranked based on t-score and given their choices accordingly until all the vacancies in each school are filled up.

This means that after the school posting exercise, most schools start off with no vacancies and have to wait till students successfully appeal out before they can take in their own appeal students. As you can imagine, this is a massive logistics exercise of epic luan-ness and the schools have all of two weeks to complete it.  This is why some schools, up to the second week of January, are still confirming appeal cases.

From what I've seen, a huge number of students appeal. The 250 scorers want to appeal to the 260 schools, the 240 scorers appeal to the 250 schools, and so on. Common sense then dictates that much of the process is first determined by the top schools and how many appeals they can accept, before domino-ing to the rest of the schools. As you would expect, the top schools tend to have extremely limited vacancies for appeals.

4) What should I expect after submitting the form and when will I know the results?

Many schools will tell you that they will inform only successful applicants. So if you want to know the results in the meantime, you'll need to call the school yourself for an update. Some schools require shortlisted students to go for interviews or trials so my advice is, don't plan any overseas vacations during this period.

Most schools inform the successful applicants by end December but as explained in 3), sometimes vacancies don't open up until early January so you'll need to be mentally prepared for such a scenario, if you're really keen on the school.

If you have been successful in your appeal, you'll be given a letter of offer which you should then bring to your original posted school to complete the transfer.  


My personal take on appeals is, do consider carefully what is your reason for wanting to appeal and your chances of success.  Often, I find that the reason for appeal is simply that the parent wants the child to go to a better school, with "better" being narrowly defined by the COP.

I once met a mother who told me she wanted to transfer her son from School A to School B because the badminton training sessions at School A took up a lot of time and were affecting his studies. I was puzzled as School B is a badminton niche school with an even more intensive training schedule than School A. When I told her about it, she replied, "Oh, but School B's O level results are better."

I find it baffling how some parents believe if they thrust their academically weak child into an academically strong environment, the child will magically blossom and churn out straight As along with everyone else.  Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Incidentally, I always look at a school's value-add score more so than their academic scores as that tells you how much impact the school had on the student.

Anecdotally, I've found that once parents and students report to the posted school, they find that it's  not too bad afterall.  It's just the initial shock or disappointment at not being given their first choice school.  But sometimes, coming to terms with the school and making your child feel comfortable with it is the best thing you can do for him, to help make the transition to secondary school a smooth one. Consider too that the first two weeks in a secondary school is usually the orientation period where kids make friends and adjust to a new environment. Transferring him out to a another school after that can be very unsettling and make him feel out of place.

I find that many neighbourhood schools in Singapore these days have fantastic facilities and a very dedicated teaching staff.  It's about finding an environment where your child can thrive in and you don't necessarily find that in a branded school.  In fact, many neighbourhood schools look after the kids much more so than in top schools which expect their students to be independent and perform from the onset.

While the PSLE t-score is not a perfect indicator of ability, it does offer a rough gauge. I would hesitate to put my child in a school which has a COP significantly higher than his t-score. I've heard anecdotal accounts where kids enter a school via DSA or appeals with t-scores some 30 or 40 points lower than the school's COP.  More often than not, the mismatch in ability ends up with the kids struggling for four years to keep up.

With this in mind, I would urge parents to take a longer term perspective - getting a foot into a choice school is merely the first move on a board game. Getting to the end having had an enriching experience is the real objective. Like with anything in life, you increase your odds of success if you operate with the end in mind.  

Here's wishing all readers a very blessed Christmas!




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热心家长  详情 回复 发表于 29-12-2012 09:39
这个林惠平似乎总有这样的文章发表, 她是什么来路?  详情 回复 发表于 28-12-2012 13:16
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