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发表于 18-9-2011 21:06:18|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
SG_lion 发表于 18-9-2011 20:27
Don't provide wrong information to the threadstarter if you want to help him.
Can you explain how  ...

Can  you explain how are you going to execute your duty when you cannot even  understand your job card?[/td] [/tr]
[tr]  [td]通常车行的技工是听老板的指导,是修还是换零件,这都是车主和老板的意见,如果老板不可以和工人沟通,那这个老板请错人了。
Can you explain how are you  going to communicate to your suppliers and logistics if you don't even know  how to properly address the parts you need.
这种事情什么时候轮到技工来做?有专门的人去做。[/td] [/tr]
[tr]  [td]厨师是不买菜的,厨师只管烧菜,至于买菜自有采购的人。
Can you explain how are you  going to follow up with the jobs returning based on warranty?
车行都有维修记录
what are the items normally  communicated between workshops and logistics
好像不是很复杂,培训一个礼拜就懂了。[/td] [/tr]
[tr]  [td]再说这些事情如果要技工去做,那么这个技工可以做老板了
China is not the world。
好像有个词叫: 地球村
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发表于 18-9-2011 21:27:20|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
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不会英语或者只会简单的英语可以在车行工作,关键是技术要好,我认识的技工有的光听声音就知道什么地方有问题。
这些道理就如同不会华语或者只会简单的华语照样可以上华语论坛。不会写华语,写英文回复也一样啊。
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发表于 18-9-2011 22:30:21|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 18-9-2011 22:53:04|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
jinxiaozui 发表于 18-9-2011 21:06

Can  you explain how are you going to execute your duty when you cannot even  understand your job card?[/td] [/tr]
[tr]  [td]通常车行的技工是听老板的指导,是修还是换零件,这都是车主和老板的意见,如果老板不可以和工人沟通,那这个老板请错人了。
You are very wrong to say that. when a workshop management employs a new mechanic, what we look for is technical competency. employing a fitter does not serves the purpose. Also, as the boss, he reserves his prerogative to be the person the mechanic has to understand. Therefore if the mechanic cannot understand his job card which will be written in simple English, then the employer has a right to replace the mechanic. You need to understand the working principles of workshops here.

Can you explain how are you  going to communicate to your suppliers and logistics if you don't even know  how to properly address the parts you need.
这种事情什么时候轮到技工来做?有专门的人去做。[/td] [/tr]
[tr]  [td]厨师是不买菜的,厨师只管烧菜,至于买菜自有采购的人。
You cannot be more wrong here. Again, mechanics are not fitters. Mechanics work with technical competency. Eg. Tightening torques to be adhered to, specifications of bolts to be used, ie. high tensile bolts, measurement with rachets, verniers etc. all must be understood with technical competency.

On top of that, a workshop is not a restaurant. I cannot comment on how a restaurant works but being in the line for about 10 years, it is very inevitable for mechanics to communicate with suppliers and logistics. After the mechanic troubleshoots and determines his prescription, he will have to go to the logistics to draw out the said items for his job. You should enlighten me on how is it possible for a non technically trained logistic assistant to bring out the correct spare parts for repairs? Therefore, the management will not spend extra cost to employ another 'specialist' to find the spare parts for the mechanic. It is imperative, for the mechanic to be able to identify the items and communicate effectively.

Also, with many implementations that leans down the opertaion, mechanics have to contact suppliers on the parts they require during many occasion. And if they are unable to do that, how do you think they can order the parts?
Can you explain how are you  going to follow up with the jobs returning based on warranty?
车行都有维修记录
Again... records are all in English. How do you think a Chinese mechanic is able to even understand what's written? As end users, one of the worst is to have someone misunderstanding the past records of my vehicel working on it leading to possibly catastrophic consequences.

what are the items normally  communicated between workshops and logistics
好像不是很复杂,培训一个礼拜就懂了。[/td] [/tr]
[tr]  [td]再说这些事情如果要技工去做,那么这个技工可以做老板了
Not complicated? Perhaps only to those who understand English.
1 week suffices for training? Are you sure? I'd like to see you do that.
These are basic terms used to describe the job to be executed. So if the mechanic cannot even understand that, how do you think he can do the job? Re-troubleshoot? With impaired productivity, the management will sack him first.

China is not the world。
好像有个词叫: 地球村
I definately hope this global mentality is the direction of your thoughts. Because you seem to be very clueless on how workshops are operated based on your replies

I spend 6 of my 10 year career running workshops while the other 4 years doing engineering stuffs for the auto industry frequently dealing with different types of workshops. How I think encouragement should be given generously to those who want to offer their services to improve the industry, I think we should be realistic and offer only sound advise to the threadstarter. So that he may understand the position he is at.

Opting between a nicely gilded message that appeals to the listener and blunt truth that helps the listener to make the next best possible move, I will not hesitate to choose the latter.
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发表于 18-9-2011 22:57:10|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
jinxiaozui 发表于 18-9-2011 21:27
不会英语或者只会简单的英语可以在车行工作,关键是技术要好,我认识的技工有的光听声音就知道什么地方有问 ...

不会英语或者只会简单的英语可以在车行工作,关键是技术要好,我认识的技工有的光听声音就知道什么地方有问题。
这些道理就如同不会华语或者只会简单的华语照样可以上华语论坛。不会写华语,写英文回复也一样啊。


Totally wrong.
I was a mechanic for 2 years before I scaled the ladder. There is although some truth to how jobs can be done by listening, nowadays, we do diagnosis electronically. Plugging the laptop can allow the technician to tune or diagnose. And these programs are all utilized in English. So how do you think it is possible for someone who has no proficiency in English able to understand the problems?
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发表于 18-9-2011 23:52:19|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
SG_lion 发表于 18-9-2011 22:57
不会英语或者只会简单的英语可以在车行工作,关键是技术要好,我认识的技工有的光听声音就知道什么地方有 ...

你错了,错的很离谱,语言只是交流的工具而已,完成任务才是最终的目的,有的人可以把事情讲的天花乱坠,讲的云中雾中,但一做事情就不知道东南西北,同样,个人电脑不论用什么语言,不论用什么系统,归根结底是为诊断服务的,这个程式有一定的逻辑推理在里面,比如说有十种可能性,那么我们要用到的就是排除法,一种一种的去看,而且我可以和你分享一下这种检测的结果,全部是最简单,最直接的单词和句子,如上所说,修车不是写论文,所以编程序的人也会用最实用的语句来告诉使用者最终的检测结果,编程序的人知道不是每一个用户都是有工商管理硕士学历,所以只要掌握了那几个词,也就可以使用程序了,这个就如同不会英文,但是使用英文系统做工的人大有人在。难道在新加坡所有的公司都是用华语系统?显然不是;难道在新加坡公司所有的员工都会熟练的英文?显然不是。

如果一个人有沉浸车行十年的经验,他除了会英文,华语懂一点,其他的语言一窍不通。如果这个人到意大利去找修车的工作,你觉得他会找到吗?我的答案是:一定可以,尽管他不会意大利语。因为他懂车,对车的每一个部件都了如指掌,因为所有车的轮子都是圆的,天下没有轮子是方的车。
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发表于 19-9-2011 10:14:26|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
jinxiaozui 发表于 18-9-2011 23:52
你错了,错的很离谱,语言只是交流的工具而已,完成任务才是最终的目的,有的人可以把事情讲的天花乱坠, ...

My advise is that, here is no way an individual or one workshop can direct how the entire industry will head towards. So you need to understand the direction of how the entire industry heads to.

All those mechanics I know who are surviving well in the industry understands English. Even if it's not as well as one would expect. Diagnostic equipments, spare parts, job cards, catalogues, tools, instruction manuals are all in English. If you cannot even understand what the information is trying to transmit to you, you are nothing but a blind man in the workshop.

Also, Experience will not help understand new technologies, directives and instructions as they keep rolling in. If the business has to stay afloat, you must understand English. It is the international business language. This is the reason why Mr Lee Kuan Yew, our leader maintains that while we stay bilingual, English will remain the first language. This is to sustain our competitive edge.

Have you ever wondered why Singporeans are generally more expensive to hire than Chinese? Many reasons but one aspect that contributes is the different education Singaporeans are exposed to.

Master your English if you want to survive in Singapore decently. It is not only to communicate with customers. It is to communicate with the entire global industry. So I applaud those Chinese who make the effort to learn.

I really don't what to tell you. Because you apparently have no clue on how workshops are run, you also don't have any technical knowledge on automotives. I will rest my case here.
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发表于 19-9-2011 10:38:16|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Swiftzxy 于 19-9-2011 13:31 编辑

新加坡车房  学英文不如学福建话   你说你们费这么多口水干嘛  人家不就是想介绍个工作做吗。。有介绍的就吱一声 没介绍的看过就关了  讲这么多废话 who cares??
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发表于 19-9-2011 20:28:04|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
有开车的也好啊?
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发表于 20-9-2011 10:06:24|来自:新加坡 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 SG_lion 于 20-9-2011 14:15 编辑
Swiftzxy 发表于 19-9-2011 10:38
新加坡车房  学英文不如学福建话   你说你们费这么多口水干嘛  人家不就是想介绍个工作做吗。。有介绍的就 ...


I am afraid you are totally wrong here.

This discussion reflects the common misconception of the automotive trade Chinese have in Singapore. So by bringing forth views from different perspective, we share the view points that will help the threadstarter to be able to find out more about what is in store for him. This will better prepare the threadstarter on negotiating his way into the trade more efficiently.

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What's with the inferiority complex Pantao? My signature was written long ago. My Chinese word processor just busted itself quite a while ago so I can only type in English now. The best I can do is to content myself with the half baked online translation that can frequently cause misunderstandings. So the next better choice? Use my native language; English.

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你说这么多英文是因为你只说英文么?可是你签名也是中文啊。。 你这是愤青呢?还是装逼呢~还是蛋疼呢?有蛋么?蛋用英文怎么说?  详情 回复 发表于 20-9-2011 11:54
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