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beginner · 发表于 12-9-2006 17:35:00|来自：新加坡

thanks <strong><font face="Verdana" color="#61b713">michael8330</font></strong>[em17]

michael8330 · 发表于 12-9-2006 21:02:00|来自：新加坡

本帖最后由 michael8330 于 5-1-2010 22:32 编辑

QUOTE:以下是引用 fredfred123 在2006-9-12 11:36:00的发言：

michael8330:
卖家说, 没有钱付AGENT FEE (2%), 所以要从交易中,付COMMISIONＦＥＥ，
例如，Ｖaluation price=250K, transaction fee=245K,
5K作为COMMISIONＦＥＥ付给ＳＥＬＬＥＲ　agent.
这样情况多吗？合理吗？有风险吗？谢谢．　

due to the high purchase price for the last few year , a lot of seller is selling at a loss, some doing downgrading due to lost of income and job, so this arrangement is very common.

MOST IMPORTANT
when the seller agent require for this arrangement , all parties (both buyers and sellers) must sit on the table and are fully aware of this arrangement (both husband and wife) , so the agent will have no chance to pocket secret profit.

fredfred123 · 发表于 13-9-2006 08:46:00|来自：新加坡

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>michael8330</i>在2006-9-12 21:02:00的发言：</b><br/><p>due to the high purchase price for the last few year , a lot of seller is selling at a loss, some doing downgrading due to lost of income and job, so this arrangement is very common. </p><p><strong>MOST IMPORTANT</strong><br/> </p><p><strong>when the seller agent require for this arrangement , all parties (both buyers and sellers) must sit on the table and are fully aware of this arrangement (both husband and wife) , so the agent will have no chance to pocket secret profit.</strong><br/> </p><p> </p><p>[em01]</p></div><p>这样一来, 报给HDB的成交价, 就是UNDERSTATED了,</p><p>这样做, 是非法的吗? 若有人报料, HDB会查吗? 买家会有风险吗? 谢谢.</p>

michael8330 · 发表于 13-9-2006 13:10:00|来自：新加坡

本帖最后由 michael8330 于 5-1-2010 22:33 编辑

以下是引用 fredfred123 在2006-9-13 8:46:00的发言：

这样一来, 报给HDB的成交价, 就是UNDERSTATED了,
这样做, 是非法的吗? 若有人报料, HDB会查吗? 买家会有风险吗? 谢谢.

u must understand that this is part of the agreement ,

the seller will sell u at the $x for the hse provide u pay 2% to the agent( in this case 245k, u pay 2% to the agent , and not 250k minus 2% commission to agent ) , and not the other way round. all this must have common understanding , this is just part and pancel of negotiation. this is grey area , that why i mention all parties must sit on the table and fully aware of this matter.

So_Boring0 · 发表于 13-9-2006 18:31:00|来自：新加坡

<p>噢，要坐在桌上谈</p>

人人喊打 · 发表于 13-9-2006 23:53:00|来自：新加坡

请问楼主，我的中介在骗我签了OTP后，就露出恶劣本质了，说不再继续了，跑了，再也没有做任何事情。最后我们找了个律师才发现这是离婚加破产的房子，害的我们进退两难，万不得已只好认购。得知我们向HDB excise OTP后，这个中介居然还好意思向我们要1％佣金，我们拒绝后，还发了一封律师信给我们，说我们欠他佣金（我们没有和他签那个commission agreement），要诉我们上法庭。和他的公司沟通，效果也不明显，准备向消协、IRAS或报纸投诉，不知道哪种方式更有效。请问楼主和路过的朋友，则么投诉这样的不良房屋中介，别让这样的人为房屋中介这个职业蒙羞。顺便提一下，这个中介是中国人，请各位同胞留意。

铜牌推广者 · 发表于 14-9-2006 01:44:00|来自：新加坡

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>人人喊打</i>在2006-9-13 23:53:00的发言：</b><br/>请问楼主，我的中介在骗我签了OTP后，就露出恶劣本质了，说不再继续了，跑了，再也没有做任何事情。最后我们找了个律师才发现这是离婚加破产的房子，害的我们进退两难，万不得已只好认购。得知我们向HDB excise OTP后，这个中介居然还好意思向我们要1％佣金，我们拒绝后，还发了一封律师信给我们，说我们欠他佣金（我们没有和他签那个commission agreement），要诉我们上法庭。和他的公司沟通，效果也不明显，准备向消协、IRAS或报纸投诉，不知道哪种方式更有效。请问楼主和路过的朋友，则么投诉这样的不良房屋中介，别让这样的人为房屋中介这个职业蒙羞。顺便提一下，这个中介是中国人，请各位同胞留意。</div><p>我知道您是谁啦，按理说，1）那人以欺骗威胁高压的手法让您们先签OTP, 这就不是算是服务了。2）那人连1st appointment 都没有来，根本没有服务到完，为什么要给1%？但是打官司会搞得你身心俱疲。我的建议是：先找mary 姐，看能不能摆平。也请大家出点好的建议。</p>[em03][em03]

铜牌推广者 · 发表于 14-9-2006 01:15:00|来自：新加坡

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>beginner</i>在2006-9-12 9:23:00的发言：</b><br/><p>如果确定要买30万左右的房子，请大家帮忙看看那种方案好呢？先谢了！</p><p>1）现在买，等一人转公民后买新房</p><p>2）一年后等夫妻其中一人转为公民后再买。坏处是要租一套房子（2＋1）一年。好处是可以享受3万补贴和HDB的低息贷款。</p><p>另外能不能拿到30k补贴的家庭月收入8k的限制，是看买房子时候的几个月还是看全年的总收入的月平均值啊？</p><p>挺难决定</p></div><p>即使现在卖屋子，成为公民后，还是能有3万津贴及低息贷款，只是您要换屋子才可以。</p><p>以您现在的情况，如果暂时没有合适您的屋子，[em04]我想假如您一年后肯定要入籍，您的租金再过一年，大概也就是1万。您换屋子的的花费（税，银行的手续费，买屋子时的中介费，卖屋子又再买的中介费，搬家。。。）及投入的精力，时间，绝对更多吧。虽然，您已经投入很多了。</p><p>[em07]</p><p>结论：暂时不买</p>

铜牌推广者 · 发表于 14-9-2006 01:32:00|来自：新加坡

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>michael8330</i>在2006-9-13 13:10:00的发言：</b><br/><p>u must understand that this is part of the agreement , </p><p>the seller will sell u at the $x for the hse provide u pay 2% to the agent( in  this case 245k, u pay 2% to the agent , and not 250k minus 2% commission to agent )  , and not the other way round. all this must have common understanding , this is just part and pancel of negotiation. this is grey area , that why i mention all parties must sit on the table and fully aware of this matter. </p><p> </p>[em01]</div><p>But Micheal, I think this is usually not advisable, right? </p><p>Because </p><p>1) If you are doing this, would 4 parties (buyer, seller, buyer's agent, seller's agent) have any agreement in black and white state clearly this condition of sales?</p><p>2) Is this black and white agreement need to be presented to HDB in 1st appointment as an attachment? </p>

fredfred123 · 发表于 14-9-2006 10:13:00|来自：新加坡

<div class="msgheader">QUOTE:</div><div class="msgborder"><b>以下是引用<i>铜牌推广者</i>在2006-9-14 1:32:00的发言：</b><br/><p>But Micheal, I think this is usually not advisable, right? </p><p>Because </p><p>1) If you are doing this, would 4 parties (buyer, seller, buyer's agent, seller's agent) have any agreement in black and white state clearly this condition of sales?</p><p>2) Is this black and white agreement need to be presented to HDB in 1st appointment as an attachment? </p></div><p>1. they asked me to sign an additional agreement between Seller's agent and me, not sure if include seller. ( I haven't decided )</p><p>2. they said this is a secret agreement, cannot let HDB know it.</p>

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